I was given this article by a friend and found it thought provoking and worthy of discussion
Grunge Christianity?
Counterculture’s Death-Spiral and the Vulgarization of the Gospel
by John MacArthur

One of the favorite topics on the evangelical agenda these days is how the church should “engage the culture.” Do Christians need to imitate the boorish aspects of a quickly-decaying civilization in order to remain “relevant”? Some evidently think so.
We keep hearing from evangelical strategists and savvy church leaders that Christians need to be more tuned into contemporary culture.
You have no doubt heard the arguments: We need to take the message out of the bottle. We can’t minister effectively if don’t speak the language of contemporary counterculture. If we don’t vernacularize the gospel, contextualize the church, and reimagine Christanity for each succeeding generation, how can we possibly reach young people? Above all else, we have got to stay in step with the times.
Those arguments have been stressed to the point that many evangelicals now seem to think unstylishness is just about the worst imaginable threat to the expansion of the gospel and the influence of the church. They don’t really care if they are worldly. They just don’t want to be thought uncool.
That way of thinking has been around at least since modernism began its aggressive assault on biblical Christianity in the Victorian era. For half a century or more, most evangelicals resisted the pragmatic thrust of the modernist argument, believing it was a fundamentally worldly philosophy. They had enough biblical understanding to realize that “friendship with the world is enmity with God. Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God” (James 4:4).
But the mainstream evangelical movement gave up the battle against worldliness half a century ago, and then completely capitulated to pragmatism just a couple of decades ago. After all, most of the best-known megachurches that rose to prominence after 1985 were built on a pragmatic philosophy of giving “unchurched” people whatever it takes to make them feel comfortable. Why would anyone criticize what “works”?
Whole churches have thus deliberately immersed themselves in “the culture”—by which they actually mean “whatever the world loves at the moment.” We now have a new breed of trendy churches whose preachers can rattle off references to every popular icon, every trifling meme, every tasteless fashion, and every vapid trend that captures the fickle fancy of the postmodern secular mind.
Worldly preachers seem to go out of their way to put their carnal expertise on display—even in their sermons. In the name of connecting with “the culture” they want their people to know they have seen all the latest programs on MTV; familiarized themselves with all the key themes of “South Park”; learned the lyrics to countless tracks of gangsta rap and heavy metal music; and watched who-knows-how-many R-rated movies. They seem to know every fad top to bottom, back to front, and inside out. They’ve adopted both the style and the language of the world—including lavish use of language that used to be deemed inappropriate in polite society, much less in the pulpit. They want to fit right in with the world, and they seem to be making themselves quite comfortable there.
Mark Driscoll is one of the best-known representatives of that kind of thinking. He is a very effective communicator—a bright, witty, clever, funny, insightful, crude, profane, deliberately shocking, in-your-face kind of guy. His soteriology is exactly right, but that only makes his infatuation with the vulgar aspects of contemporary society more disturbing.
Driscoll ministers in Seattle, birthplace of “grunge” music and heart of the ever-changing subculture associated with that movement. Driscoll’s unique style and idiom might aptly be labeled “post-grunge.” His language—even in his sermons—is deliberately crude. He is so well known for using profane language that in Blue Like Jazz (p. 133), Donald Miller (popular author and icon of the “Emerging Church” movement, who speaks of Driscoll with the utmost admiration) nicknamed him “Mark the Cussing Pastor.”
I don’t know what Driscoll’s language is like in private conversation, but I listened to several of his sermons. To be fair, he didn’t use the sort of four-letter expletives most people think of as cuss words—nothing that might get bleeped on broadcast television these days. Still, it would certainly be accurate to describe both his vocabulary and his subject matter at times as tasteless, indecent, crude, and utterly inappropriate for a minister of Christ. In every message I listened to, at least once he veered into territory that ought to be clearly marked off limits for the pulpit.
Some of the things Driscoll talks freely and frequently about involve words and subject matter I would prefer not even to mention in public, so I am not going to quote or describe the objectionable parts. Besides, the issue has already been discussed and dissected at several blogs. Earlier this year, Tim Challies cited one typical example of Driscoll’s vulgar flippancy from Confessions of a Reformission Rev. The sermons I listened to also included several from Driscoll’s “Vintage Jesus” series, including the one Phil Johnson critiqued in October.
The point I want to make is not about Driscoll’s language per se, but about the underlying philosophy that assumes following society down the Romans 1 path is a valid way to “engage the culture.” It’s possible to be overexposed to our culture’s dark side. I don’t think anyone can survive full immersion in today’s entertainments and remain spiritually healthy.
Let’s face it: Many of the world’s favorite fads are toxic, and they are becoming increasingly so as our society descends further in its spiritual death-spiral. It’s like a radioactive toxicity, so while those who immerse themselves in it might not notice its effects instantly, they nevertheless cannot escape the inevitable, soul-destroying contamination. And woe to those who become comfortable with the sinful fads of secular society. The final verse of Romans 1 expressly condemns those “who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.”
Even when you marry such worldliness with good systematic theology and a vigorous defense of substitutionary atonement, the soundness of the theoretical doctrine doesn’t sanctify the wickedness of the practical lifestyle. The opposite happens. Solid biblical doctrine is trivialized and mocked if we’re not doers of the Word as well as teachers of it.
We could learn from the example of Paul, who engaged the philosophers on Mars Hill. But far from embracing their culture, he was repulsed by it. Acts 17:16 says, “while Paul waited for [Silas and Timothy] at Athens, his spirit was provoked within him when he saw that the city was given over to idols.”
When Paul spoke to that culture, he didn’t adopt Greek scatology to show off how hip he could be. He simply declared the truth of God’s Word to them in plain language. And not all of his pagan listeners were happy with that (v. 18). That’s to be expected. Jesus said, “If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you” (John 15:18-19).
Even Jesus’ high priestly prayer included a thorough description of the Christian’s proper relationship with and attitude toward the world: “I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world” (John 17:14-16).
Whenever Jesus spoke of believers’ being in the world, He stated that if we are faithful, the world will be a place of hostility and persecution, not a zone of comfort. He also invariably followed that theme with a plea for our sanctification (cf. John 17:17-19).
The problem with the “grunge” approach to religion is that it works against the sanctifying process. In fact, in one of the messages I listened to, Driscoll actually boasted that his sanctification goes no higher than his shoulders. His defense of substitutionary atonement might help his disciples gain a good grasp of the doctrine of justification by faith; but the lifestyle he models—especially his easygoing familiarity with all this world’s filthy fads—practically guarantees that they will make little progress toward authentic sanctification.
I frankly wonder how any Christian who takes the Bible at face value could ever think that in order to be “culturally relevant” Christians should participate in society’s growing infatuation with vulgarity. Didn’t vulgarity and culture used to be considered polar opposites?
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well this really a thought provoking article... thank you for sharing it here... i do require some more views on this... i would surely drop by your blog soon....
I agree that vulgarity is a bad thing, especially from the pulpit. And I too have a problem with Christians, pastors in particular, who think they're in touch and relevant because they're well-versed in and engage in many of the same cultural practices as unbelievers. I think this is dangerous.
The danger for Christians who are seeking to be "relevant" in the postmodern, post-Christian world is that they very well may capitulate to the culture, i.e. they may wind up selling out. In the name of relevance, they become like the world so much so that one wonders if they are indeed "of" the world as well as "in" it.
On the flip side, a problem with Christian fundamentalists is that they are so afraid of being stained by the world that they retreat into a Christian sub-culture, which renders them ineffective in carrying out the Great Commission. You can't reach the world with the Gospel if you retreat from the world. While Christians are not of the world, neither are we called out of the world. Rather, we are sent into the world. Understanding culture is important to being effective in the world into which we have been sent by Jesus. But this doesn't mean we must adopt and live out cultural values that are contrary to Biblical truth. To the contrary.
Christians must do as Jesus did, and that was to connect with, relate with, and reach unbelievers while at the same time remain unstained by the world. No one understood the world, with all its sin, better than Jesus. Jesus was intimately acquainted with his culture and its values and practices. He was living in the middle of it all. And yet no one has ever lived a pure, sinless life as Jesus did in the midst of it.
Back to Driscoll...
He does appear to have a loose canon of a tongue at times and he's felt the backlash from Christians and non-Christians because of it. But I'm not sure it's fair to say that Driscoll's awareness of or familiarity with "cultural fads" is the same as him supporting or engaging in those things. Granted, vulgarity is a part of culture that Driscoll seems to engage in at times. And that's not good. But familiarity with ungodly aspects of culture does not NECESSARILY mean support for or indulgence in those things.
I think perhaps MacArthur goes to far in implying that the "lifestyle he [Driscoll] models" is an ungodly one. Perhaps Driscoll needs to check his heart and pray for and work towards sanctification in the area of his speech. Yes, Driscoll is vulgar at times, and I don't think that's a good thing. In fact I think it's harmful. But is this enough to indict the man as a cultural accommodator and sell out to the world's filthy fads (plural)? I don't think so. I think it's an unfair broad brush stroke.
Boy, I wouldn't want to pick a fight w/ ole Johnny Mac. He cracks me up - both cannons ablaze.
Nonetheless, I do find his challenge here particularly - can I say 'relevant'?!?
Bless you, bro.
John makes a good case but the Emergents have their place to and we need to learn from them. I get the distint impression that most in the Emerging community don't like the definition we've given to Christianity. Can't say that I blame them. The internet is making the world smaller and bringing people together, but religion seems to divide people from each other to the point we are becoming almost tribal again. I think Tom has a good point to make. To me, We don't necessarily need to become relevant by learning and speaking the language of the culture as much as we just need to speak and live the language of the bible IN culture. If we did that, we who are followers of Christ, IMHO would be effectively missional
MacArthur should change the name of his program from "Grace to You" to something like "Legalism to You".
I'll tell you what, Driscoll preaches the Gospel and Pastors a big church in an area where other Pastors fail, big time, and Macaurther is a defender of the faith, but its easy to be legalistic, and a "holy roller" in southern california, there's a megachurch in every neighborhood.
I think that the body of Christ is very diverse and that only God can judge what is in the heart of a man.We as christians need to practice grace and let the fruit of any work speak for its self. Remember that the pharisees believed that what Jesus did was sinful because it did not match the accepted religious norm of his day either. It did not bother him then and I doubt he has changed his mind.When the deciples complained about people (who were not with them) healing he said "If they are not against us leave them alone". God looks at the motivation of the heart and thankfully his grace covers.If we are his children,He is big enough to let us know when what we are doing is not in his will and to tear down kingdoms built on anything but the truth.We all know of mega churches that he has brought to their knees.If something is truly in Gods plan it will endure if not,in his timing, God will deal with it.
As far as being relevent goes.The word of God and the truth of the gospel are eternaly relevent.Besides it is not how or what we say but how we live that makes the difference.Why do you think that this generation has such a problem with the church.The last few generations have been so devoid of the fruits of the spirit that they are not sure what God looks like. The gospel is and always will be relevent because all of humanity desperately needs to know that there is hope.We can help them if we live as lights in the darkness and stop trying to spotlight what we think needs to change in each other. Someone once told me that we are each like matches.One match brings enough light to show the way to someone in darkness but instead we all crowd into a room and use the flame to burn each other.I pray that we learn for the worlds sake.
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