This last week, I attended a preaching practicum taught by Dr. Art Azurdia at Western Seminary in Portland, Oregon. The class was limited to 8 pastors (from varying theological and educational backgrounds), and each of us was assigned a passage of scripture to teach from the book of Ruth.
Art began the class by asking what we hoped to gin from the class. Most wanted to improve their study and delivery but one pastor confessed he struggled with whether preaching or the lecture format was the best form of communication. He felt the best learning style involved interaction and resembled a conversation.
While I echo my friend's concern, and like him, have struggled with the whole "lecture--talking head" thing, as I look at the New Testament, I see that John the Baptist preached. Jesus went around to cities and villages teaching and preaching. Peter preached on the day of Pentecost when 3,000 came to Christ, and as you read the book of Acts, preaching seemed to be the main means the apostles used to communicate the truth of Christ's death and resurrection.
Paul in the book of 1Corinthians said in 1Co 1:21 "For since in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom did not know God, God was pleased through the foolishness of preaching to save the ones believing".
The opposition to preaching comes largely from the Emergents who among other things are reacting to the Seeker Friendly movement which focused upon image over content; the marketing of the church, and, on the other end of the spectrum, the celebrity pastor driven churches.
Now if retention of information is a goal of pastors, I readilyagree that preaching may not be the best form of communicating. But the problem with "conversation" is potential to become egocentric and to stray away from important theological truths.
So what's the answer? Do we as the Emergents suggest move to small house groups where people discuss and discover or do we hold the party line of Evangelicalism and limit the transmission of information to preachers?
The answer is both. We need groups where the word is discussed and skilled leaders facilitate conversation. Personally, I am involved with several groups that use this format and I have found it much to my liking and my learning style. But we also need the preaching of the word, by a skilled exegete and careful speaker.
Let me illustrate my point. A guitar depends on 6 strings to generate sound. Each string covers a particular audio range from High--midrange--to low notes. When played together they generate a very pleasing sound. For purposes of this illustration each of those strings represent an aspect of the church. Small groups, Sunday school, book discussion groups, Substance behavioral meetings, bible study, etc. But the guitar needs to be tuned to sound good and so a standard note called A440 is the note guitars and all instruments through out the word are tuned to. In other words A440 in France is the same note in Spain or America.
And I see preaching as A440 that all the other bible studies and ministries must tune to. And so that preaching must be true to the text and what the author intended to say.
At the preaching practicum all of us gave good sermons but very few of us said the the author said. We all interposed some of our own "sermon points". For instance, the section of Ruth I dealt with spoke of Naomi's hardship and numerous statements "God dealing harshly with me?". I began the message with the statement "I don't struggle with why bad things happen to good people, but rather, why do bad things happen to God's people". While it was a good sermon and my point biblically substantiated, it wasn't what the text was dealing with! The text was dealing with adversity being applied by a loving God to Naomi and Ruth to get them to move from Moab to Bethlehem where Ruth and Naomi's problems would be solved and God's will accomplished because Messiah, who was in the lineage of Ruth was to be born in Bethlehem.
So preaching is not to be replaced by a more effective means of transmitting information or conversation, conversation is to be held in tune by solid biblical teaching. The clear proclamation of scriptures are the standard that holds conversation in line.
So here's how it works at CCS. We have small group, mothers groups, men's groups, womens groups and other groups. They talk, share, discuss, learn and pray. But the pulpit is reserved for the proclamation of God's word. Not textual messages or topical messages but exegetical messages where what the integrity author of a letter or gospel or book is presented.
That, I think, is a good balance between preaching and conversation. while I love the mystery of God and cannot deny it; we walk in truth not in mystery
Monday, March 17, 2008
Preaching or A Conversation
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Where's your facts to back up this statement steveo?
"The opposition to preaching comes largely from the Emergents...."
Says who?
Just doesn't sound right to me. You might be correct -that doesn't sound right to me either btw ;-)- but that seems like you're painting with a pretty wide brush there.
Also, it's not just the "emergents" that are for house churches...another brush swipe I think.
Otherwise...spot on.
L
L-
Where's your facts to back up this statement steveo?
"The opposition to preaching comes largely from the Emergents...."
It comes from the Emergents themselves. They are writing bok upon book about it. For example:
Doug Pagitt’s book “Preaching Re-Imagined”
Pagitt has become somewhat of a spokesman for the Emerging/Emergent Church.
Here is some blogging about the book:
http://emergentcraig.blogspot.com/2007/07/preaching-re-imagined.html
Steve-
Great post! Great job with the guitar analogy, bringing the whole body and "hands and feet" concept together.
I understand we all learn differently, but that doesn't necessarily mean you change the preaching of the Gospel.
As people grow and learn their gifts, they bring them to the body to the edification of everyone. Pastors will be driven crazy and driven to failure if they must try to be all things to all people in the pulpit.
They must be faithful to the call, faithful to the Word, and faithful to God. In doing so, only then will their be a point of departure for dialog and interpretation.
Good Stuff Steve! I look forward to reading more.
~Please Note
L
History shows that most movements are in part reactionary. For instance the Reformation was in reaction to the Catholic church.Even the Jesus Movement of the 70's in part a desire for more of the person of Jesus and a return to the scriptures.
The Emergent/Emerging move is away from the Jesus discovered in the 70's toward a Jesus of one's own design, and away from the truth of the scriptures. Even book title like "They Like Jesus not the Church" is misleading because if they took the time to really study the scriptures, the Emergents wouldn't like Him either.
So, I stand by my observation that this present move is in reaction to the Seeker friendly church of the 80's and 90's AND the celebrity driven churches who teach their interpretation of the word.
My call to all pastors especially my CC brothers is return to the word. Teach the Jesus of the word, and stop using scripture as a platform to comment. Study and say what the writer said
Steve,
Good post and your comments are valid.
I might add that at the end of Acts we see Paul teaching and persuading from the scriptures. We also see Jesus preaching, teaching and also having conversations and dialogues. I find it interesting that many of Jesus "conversations" with unbelievers were at times contentious.
Truth is seldom tidy.
Frank
"The Emergent/Emerging move is away from the Jesus discovered in the 70's toward a Jesus of one's own design, and away from the truth of the scriptures. Even book title like "They Like Jesus not the Church" is misleading because if they took the time to really study the scriptures, the Emergents wouldn't like Him either."
So glad you said that. I've been waiting for someone to say that and I'm really glad you did.
Steve - you said:
"But we also need the preaching of the word, by a skilled exegete and careful speaker."
I think scripture points to the filling and empowering of the Holy Spirit as the MOST important component to preaching. It seems that Jesus, Peter & Stephen... began to preach after the Spirit fell upon them to empower them.
1 Cor 2:1-5
Anon
We would never attempt to undertake the task of studying or sharing the scriptures without the empowerment of the HS.
That's why I pray Lord, lead me as I apply myself to the task of carefully exegeteing the text.
If you are suggesting that the HS should replace the task of studying then I am reminded of what Paul said in 1Cor 4 "Consider us stewards of the mysteries of God. Moreover, it is required of stewards that they be found faithful
Yeah, preach on, preacher man!
Amem!!!! We are to show ourselves as "workmen approved" in His Word. His Spirit empowers us and gives us the boldness to preach. We are urged throughout the NT to be "filled with the Spirit". Eph. 5:18,19
Anon
An "Amen" back atcha
Hey Steve,
This was really good!
Makes me wish we lived in Salem :)
Keep writing......
Lynda
Steve,
I started to write a response then realized its length might cause the server to crash at blogger.com :)
This is a great topic and worthy of much discussion. As someone who grew up in a church where there was NO teaching however, only preaching, I think that teaching in a lecture format is as important as preaching or discussion. I agree with you, it's not an either/or but both/and.
Hey Steve,
Great thoughts. thanks for sharing them. I have a question. At your church do you tie in your children's church, jr. high, high school and small groups to what you're teaching on Sunday mornings?
Thanks,bleessings,
travis connick
Travis
No we don't. Small groups is big here. Some groups take the message from Sunday morning and work over it. Others do an independent bible study along with fellowship. The main reason we don't have the groups rehash the message is many of our groups have unbelievers in their group. They tend to want the outsiders to feel welcome and a place they can ask questions and work through their issues.
We see our small groups as our chielf means of engaging culture with the gospel.
SS, JR and middel school follow their own curriculm
Steve,
Thanks for the follow up. I've been reading your blog for sometime, but never posted before. Always enjoy it though.
Blessings
Hey Steve,
I drove by Eagle Point Eye Care..it didn't look like it was open for business yet...is that right? But I was thinking, my dad lives in Silverton and we can trade invites. He's off of S. Water.
Travis
I am coming down this Sunday afgter services here. We are going to start moving stuff in on Monday. It will be a while before they are open. Is there an email where I can contact you?
travisconnick@msn.com
Hey Steve, I'm totally with you on the preaching/conversation balance. Was there any discussion at the practicum about incorporating good teaching techniques into the preaching?
Kevin
Dr. Azurdia is a real stickler for Christocentric preaching and studying ttudying the text to understand and say what the author said. For instance, I taught Ruth 1:9-19 where Naomi, after losing a husband and two sons and is forced to move back to Bethlehem says, more than once "God is against me". I began my message with, "the question of why bad things happen to good people doesn't bother me as much as why bad things happen to God's people" I went on to answer the question giving four different examples; one of which was "To God fulfills God's purposes" (In this case a sovereign God was acting to fulfill a sovereing plan that ultimately worked out for the Good of all involved, Ruth Naomi, Boaz whle fulfilling the plan of God that Messiah would be born in Bethlehem from the line of David).
In reference to the text, my final answwer (the one above) was the only one the text addressed and my message to be apostolic and true to the text, should have been built around that concept.
After that, Art dealth with posture, eye contact, illustrations delivery, theology, flow. We had about 8 areas of critique. It was awesome.
Re: Illustrations, he said people need to walk away from a sermon remembering the message of the sermon or a point and not the illustration.
Again, the point of this class was expositional preaching. It was awesome. Im going again to a NT practicum in May, and Dr. Azurdia is coming down to Salem in June to do a special class I am putting together for some CC pastor friends of mine. Hopefully, they will have th4e courage to attend, be critiqued, and learn.
Thanks Steve. Courage is right. I know for me, I've only preached about 10 sermons in 25 years, so I'd be scared to death.
BTW, hoping to get up to Salem to see you some time this summer.
Hi Steve - I went to a conference recently where Dr. Azurdia was the speaker and was very blessed. Afterwards in conversation your name came up and he mentioned you were attending his class. I'm excited to hear you say what you're saying about preaching. I've been learning these things too and it's changed my whole approach. It's really quite humbling. Just exposit what the text is saying. The scriptures are about Christ and we should be pointing that out to our people every time we preach so that they learn to approach the bible with that in mind. Thanks again!
God bless!
Dave D.
thank you for sharing i found this to be quite interesting i never really thought about this
but i do agree it makes sense
thank you for sharing i found this to be quite interesting i never really thought about this
but i do agree it makes sense
Hey Bonehead,
Great thoughts, here is one of my own. You brought up the fine line between "Teaching" and "Preaching" and there place in the church. Oh how amaizing it is to go to sunday church and have a preaching hit home, at the same time when its midweek and disecting the word is so interesting. My one thing is that much debated and contriversial passage 1Corenthians 11. "the place in church." How Christ must be the head of man, and man the head of woman. Well if the preacher is preaching on his own agenda and speaking through his own head thats where it all goes wrong. Stevo, you brother have an amaizing way af not hitting your own agenda or preaching on your own matters. We deffinetly can hear your passion shine through when you talk about music, but its just a great way to paint a picture for us idiots out there. So i guess im just thanking you man, I love you and love to hear what you will say next. KEEP IT UP BRO!
-Cody-
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